{"id":44319,"date":"2019-02-20T18:21:19","date_gmt":"2019-02-20T23:21:19","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.shilohwalker.com\/website\/?p=44319"},"modified":"2019-03-19T08:25:19","modified_gmt":"2019-03-19T12:25:19","slug":"hot-takes-part-2-ghostwriting","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.shilohwalker.com\/website\/2019\/02\/hot-takes-part-2-ghostwriting\/","title":{"rendered":"Hot Takes Part 2: Ghostwriting"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-44320\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.shilohwalker.com\/website\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/02\/Depositphotos_9584687_s-2015.jpg?resize=500%2C333&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Ghostwriting\" width=\"500\" height=\"333\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.shilohwalker.com\/website\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/02\/Depositphotos_9584687_s-2015.jpg?w=500&amp;ssl=1 500w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.shilohwalker.com\/website\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/02\/Depositphotos_9584687_s-2015.jpg?resize=300%2C200&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>So, MORE drama in romancelandia.\u00a0 I mean,\u00a0<em>seriously<\/em>, the big girls in this group mostly want to write\/read and just get on with our lives.<\/p>\n<p>But you always have to have drama llamas who think they belong, be they <a href=\"https:\/\/threadreaderapp.com\/thread\/1093167727374712837.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">bullies threatening to dox bloggers &amp; readers &amp; authors<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.shilohwalker.com\/website\/2019\/02\/stay-away-from-the-hea-a-twitter-rant\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">authors trying to muck up the HEA<\/a>, or <a href=\"https:\/\/www.shilohwalker.com\/website\/2013\/09\/the-crazy-that-comes-with-plagiarism-scandals\/\">one of the many<\/a>, and <a href=\"http:\/\/gossamerobsessions.blogspot.com\/2012\/04\/so-your-favourite-bloggers-plagiarist.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">I do mean MANY<\/a>, oh <a href=\"https:\/\/www.shilohwalker.com\/website\/2011\/06\/so-im-being-plagiarized\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">so\u00a0<em>many<\/em><\/a> instances of plagiarists muddying the waters.<\/p>\n<p>This time, if you have been paying attention, the plagiarist used a\u00a0<em>new<\/em> excuses.<\/p>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: center;\">MY GHOSTWRITER DID IT<\/h3>\n<p>I called bullshit on that in a hot second.<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>I ghostwrite<\/li>\n<li>Legit GWs don&#8217;t plagiarize<\/li>\n<li>Legit GW\/author contracts include wording specifying the above.<\/li>\n<li>Legit authors who USE GWs have ways of checking for plagiarized content.<\/li>\n<li>Plagiarists\u00a0<em>always\u00a0<\/em>blame somebody else. See\u00a0<em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.shilohwalker.com\/website\/2013\/09\/the-crazy-that-comes-with-plagiarism-scandals\/\">the crazy that comes with plagiarism<\/a>\u00a0<\/em>(we&#8217;ve already hit the next step, BTW&#8230;<em>vanishing&#8230;poof!<\/em>)<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>I\u00a0<em>could maybe have bought<\/em> that she hired a hack writer who then sent a bunch of sloppy, scraped up, regurgitated scenes that had been used over and over and she was too lazy to check for originality, but even\u00a0<em>that\u00a0<\/em>was pushing it, and she, as the copyright owner\/author, was still responsible. And that&#8217;s what happens in the GW\/author relationship. If you hire a GW, once the work is complete, the <em>author<\/em> (the person who hired the GW) assumes copyright and is responsible for the work.<\/p>\n<p>But according to some people who&#8217;ve contacted <a href=\"http:\/\/www.courtneymilan.com\/ramblings\/2019\/02\/18\/cristiane-serruya-is-a-copyright-infringer-a-plagiarist-and-an-idiot\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Courtney Milan<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/CopyPasteCris?src=hashtag_click\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">#CutPasteCris<\/a> seems to have <em>sent<\/em> content she pulled from the books of those she plagiarized and asked them to &#8216;make it all fit&#8217;.<\/p>\n<p>First, before we get started, some terminology I&#8217;m going to use.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Author\u00a0<\/strong>For the sake of this topic,\u00a0<em>author<\/em> refers to the name that will be on the\u00a0<em>cover<\/em> of the book, the copyright owner.<\/p>\n<p><strong>GW\/Ghostwriter\/Ghost<\/strong>\u00a0a person hired by an author to write a book\/subject\/topic, etc.\u00a0 A writer for hire.<\/p>\n<p><strong>NDA\u00a0<\/strong>Non-disclosure agreements, standard in GW\/Author agreements.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">* * * *<\/p>\n<p>So, during\u00a0this #copypasteCris fiasco, something that&#8217;s been a predominant theme is&#8230;<\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: center;\">Why?<\/h1>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: center;\">Question:<\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><em>Why do people use ghostwriters?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I received several variations of this Q on twitter and in my DMs when I told people I&#8217;d take Qs for the blog.<\/p>\n<p>A specific Q from a writer who wanted to remain anonymous was two-fold&#8211;<em>Why<\/em> would I let somebody put their name on\u00a0<em>my<\/em> work and why would anybody\u00a0<em>want<\/em> to put their name on work they didn&#8217;t write.<\/p>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: center;\">Answer:<\/h3>\n<p>Well, the basic\u00a0<em>why<\/em> can have any number of reasons and I can&#8217;t explain all of them but I&#8217;ll give some of the basic rationale behind contracts I&#8217;ve taken, without going into specific details. Keep in mind,\u00a0 I can&#8217;t offer specifics, due to NDAs and professional ethics.<\/p>\n<p>But there are any number of reasons\u00a0<em>why<\/em>\u00a0some works are written by ghosts.<\/p>\n<p><strong>#1 <\/strong>Well-known names like <a href=\"https:\/\/www.npr.org\/2013\/10\/27\/241137349\/ghostwriter-carries-on-v-c-andrews-gothic-legacy\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">V.C. Andrews<\/a>, who&#8230;well, kind of died just a few books into the successful series. The works &amp; rights reverted to her family. The choice to use a GW here is pretty obvious. The <a href=\"https:\/\/www.npr.org\/2013\/03\/07\/173722518\/lifting-the-veil-the-secret-lives-of-ghostwriters\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Sweet Valley books<\/a> about the Wakefield twins were largely written by ghosts.<\/p>\n<p>But the worlds, characters, etc for both of these huge series wouldn&#8217;t have existed without the original author &amp; creator. Ghosts made the worlds bigger and kept them going after death in Andrews&#8217; case, and expanded them even more for the SV world, taking the girls down to junior high, onto college, etc in Pascal&#8217;s situation. The world is huge and has been widely enjoyed by<em> so<\/em> many and it wouldn&#8217;t have been possible without ghosts.<\/p>\n<p>So&#8230;simply keeping a world going or expanding on an existing world or series is one reason to use a GW.<\/p>\n<p><strong>#2<\/strong> One project I took early on was from an author who had the bare bones of a project already done, and I don&#8217;t just mean the outline. It was a solid piece and well done, but this client couldn&#8217;t quite finish it and wanted help fleshing it out so it could be published. The basic work, characters, world-building, story arc, character growth, resolution was\u00a0<em>done<\/em>, but the client knew it needed more. I was hired to provide that and did so. My words helped fill\u00a0<em>in<\/em> the story, but the story itself wasn&#8217;t mine. It belongs to that author.<\/p>\n<p><strong>#3\u00a0<\/strong>Other projects I&#8217;ve taken from a semi-regular client were series-based from a popular series that did well for a particular author but this author wanted to move on from that series and focus on a new one that was taking up a great deal of time.\u00a0 Readers wanted the initial series to continue. Author wanted to write newer one which was also gaining traction. Author didn&#8217;t write fast enough to do both, plus some authors don&#8217;t shift gears well, going from one genre to the next, as easily as others and these were two vastly different genres. I was hired to GW the primary series. The series, the characters, the ideas were never\u00a0<em>mine<\/em>. I wrote from rough outlines, using plot lines and already defined character profiles, providing stories that wouldn&#8217;t have existed without the\u00a0<em>author&#8217;s<\/em> previously established work. Those worlds belong to that author.<\/p>\n<p><strong>#4\u00a0<\/strong>Majority of my projects come from one primary client, an already established author who had a presence long before I was hired. I&#8217;m given\u00a0<em>very<\/em> thorough, chapter by chapter outlines, very thorough character backgrounds &amp; profiles. I&#8217;ve written short stories that aren&#8217;t as long as the initial material provided to me by my main client.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve also had several other projects from clients similar to this, people who have the\u00a0<em>ideas, even the character and storyline<\/em> they want, but they want a GW to finish the book itself.\u00a0 I&#8217;m paid\u00a0<em>by the hour<\/em>, I research, and provide original content. When done, I return the project, knowing it&#8217;s not\u00a0<em>mine.<\/em>\u00a0It never was, because the\u00a0<em>ideas, the characters, the plotline<\/em>, weren&#8217;t mine to begin with.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong>Storytelling is a lot more than\u00a0<em>just<\/em> the words. Storytelling is about the characters, the story itself and everything that happens therein. When it comes to ghosting, I&#8217;m there to help\u00a0<em>with<\/em> the story.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Now&#8230;why do\u00a0<em>I<\/em> do it? Why am\u00a0<em>I<\/em> willing write a book and let somebody put their name on it? Well, again, the books\u00a0<em>I<\/em> ghostwrite aren&#8217;t\u00a0<em>mine<\/em>. They don&#8217;t stem from\u00a0<em>my<\/em> ideas. They don&#8217;t originate in\u00a0<em>my<\/em> mind. The characters weren&#8217;t birthed from\u00a0<em>my<\/em> imagination.\u00a0 Somebody else provided the sketched out figure. I just filled in the colors and was well-compensated.<\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: center;\">Unethical?<\/h1>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: center;\">Question:<\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><em>It seems like cheating\/lying. Is it misleading to readers?<\/em><\/p>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: center;\">Answer:<\/h3>\n<p>Variations of this are floating on twitter and somebody who wanted to remain anonymous DM&#8217;d. We had a polite discussion, but her opinion is that is was cheating &amp; unethical. I told her I&#8217;d discuss it in depth on the blog. Hope this covers it adequately.<\/p>\n<p>Up above, I talked about storytelling.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong>Storytelling is a lot more than\u00a0<em>just<\/em> the words. Storytelling is about the characters, the story itself and everything that happens therein. When it comes to ghosting, I&#8217;m there to help\u00a0<em>with<\/em> the story.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Stories aren&#8217;t just words.\u00a0 If it was just words, anybody could do it, and any writer could write in any genre. Also, we wouldn&#8217;t have the beauty that is <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/books\/badsexaward\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The Bad Sex Award<\/a>. I&#8217;m a talented storyteller and can weave an entertaining tale, but I&#8217;m no master. In-depth, far reaching plotting skills elude me, but that&#8217;s a crucial skill to being a master storyteller.\u00a0 For example, look no further than Nalini Singh&#8217;s beautiful worlds, be it the Psy\/Changeling or the Guild-Hunter.<\/p>\n<p>My greatest plotting skills come into play when creating murderous trilogies and I piss people off there because I end them with cliffhangers on the &#8216;whodunit&#8217; aspects, even if I do resolve each romance by the end of the book.<\/p>\n<p>Storytelling is the entire part of creating a book, from coming up with characters to plotting to character arc\/growth to the actual writing. Some writers, pantsers, frex, do a lot of this as they go, although, as a pantsers myself for most of my own personal books, the plotting\/character arc stuff takes place on what is kind of a writer subconscious. I&#8217;m mulling it over in the back of my mind while I cook or exercise or shower and abruptly, the\u00a0<em>a-ha<\/em> moments hit.<\/p>\n<p><em>Many\u00a0<\/em>GW contracts, including the fiction ones, come with what amounts to a story bible. I&#8217;ve mentioned these before. I&#8217;ve used story bibles myself, but for me? I can&#8217;t even\u00a0<em>make\u00a0<\/em>one until my story is done, and then? I hire the job out.\u00a0 I&#8217;m just not organized that way.<\/p>\n<p>With my fiction contracts, I&#8217;m provided with a story bible ahead of time. A concise, thorough, chapter by chapter plot. A time line. Detailed character notes with everything from age and place of birth to height, weight, hair color, to education &amp; likes and dislikes.<\/p>\n<p>This describes\u00a0<em>most<\/em> of my GW projects. These are ideas and story concepts thought up\u00a0<em>well<\/em> beyond a vague idea. I&#8217;m paid hourly, I write at my own pace and when finished, turn the story back in and I&#8217;m done.\u00a0 I don&#8217;t own\u00a0<em>any<\/em> part of it and nor should I, because while I, as previously mentioned, fill in the color, the picture itself had already been provided.\u00a0 The basic\u00a0<em>story\u00a0<\/em>itself was already there.\u00a0 I just finished it. The readers who follow an author for a particular sort of story\/feel are still getting exactly what was promised.<\/p>\n<p>Tangentially,\u00a0there\u00a0<em>are<\/em> people who have had\u00a0<em>fabulous<\/em> ideas for stories, complex &amp; layered worlds they&#8217;ve built and outlined, characters, etc. But when it comes to the actual\u00a0<em>writing<\/em> part, they&#8217;re stumped. I&#8217;ve met people like this, I&#8217;ve talked to people like this.\u00a0 I think a lot, if not all, published writers have had somebody tell them, <em>You know&#8230;I&#8217;ve always thought about writing a book.<\/em> And you ask,\u00a0<em>Well, what&#8217;s stopping you<\/em>?<\/p>\n<p>For some people, it&#8217;s just the idea of writing that that&#8217;s appealing, not the actual work involved. Others start and lose interest. But some do the work, focus on all the complicated <em>pre-<\/em>work, so to speak, the world-building, research, creating characters.\u00a0 Then they freeze on the actual writing part. Or they try but can&#8217;t actually organize the\u00a0<em>elements<\/em> of the story.<\/p>\n<p>Yet they have a story that matters, one they want told and I&#8217;ve talked\/worked with a few who had very\u00a0<em>good<\/em> stories that needed to be told. A ghostwriter can make that happen&#8230;and keep in mind, the story wouldn&#8217;t\u00a0<em>be<\/em> there without the author&#8217;s ideas &amp; work. The GW just helped bring the idea into actuality. They make the agreement *beforehand* and if the GW is compensated and agrees to no public acknowledgment and is fairly compensated? That&#8217;s a fair\u00a0<em>and<\/em> legal deal.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m\u00a0<em>not<\/em> going discuss the bookchurners who want 10-20k\/weekly and are looking to hire ten various writers, expect the GW to provide the\u00a0<em><strong>story idea, create the characters, develop the character arc, provide the plot &amp; write a fricking synopsis<\/strong><\/em>&#8211;that isn&#8217;t\u00a0<em>ghostwriting<\/em>.\u00a0 That&#8217;s actual\u00a0<em>writing<\/em> and in the end, the GW is\u00a0only usually paid a flat fee and not typically a fair one. These are basically nothing more than author mills and IMO,\u00a0<em>they<\/em> devalue\u00a0work and use predatory practice. Some writers work with these sorts anyway because it will pay bills and I get that, but that&#8217;s not fair &amp; legit ghostwriting.<\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: center;\">I think it&#8217;s just another form of plagiarism.<\/h1>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: center;\">Question:<\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><em>It&#8217;s lying &amp; deceptive to the reader, no different than plagiarizing, really.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Another thing floating around in the #copypastecris fiasco.<\/p>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: center;\">Answer:<\/h3>\n<p>First, plagiarism involves\u00a0<em>stealing<\/em> someone else&#8217;s work and can become a legal matter.<\/p>\n<p>From <a href=\"https:\/\/en.m.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Plagiarism\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Wikipedia<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><b>Plagiarism<\/b>\u00a0is the &#8220;wrongful appropriation&#8221; and &#8220;stealing and publication&#8221; of another\u00a0<a title=\"Author\" href=\"https:\/\/en.m.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Author\">author<\/a>&#8216;s &#8220;language, thoughts, ideas, or expressions&#8221; and the representation of them as one&#8217;s own\u00a0<a class=\"mw-redirect\" title=\"Original work\" href=\"https:\/\/en.m.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Original_work\">original work<\/a>.<sup id=\"cite_ref-RandomHouse95_1-0\" class=\"reference\"><a href=\"https:\/\/en.m.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Plagiarism#cite_note-RandomHouse95-1\">[1]<\/a><\/sup><sup id=\"cite_ref-OEDdef_2-0\" class=\"reference\"><a href=\"https:\/\/en.m.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Plagiarism#cite_note-OEDdef-2\">[2]<\/a><\/sup><\/p>\n<p>Plagiarism is not in itself a\u00a0<a title=\"Crime\" href=\"https:\/\/en.m.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Crime\">crime<\/a>, but can constitute\u00a0<a title=\"Copyright infringement\" href=\"https:\/\/en.m.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Copyright_infringement\">copyright infringement<\/a>. In academia and industry, it is a serious\u00a0<a title=\"Ethics\" href=\"https:\/\/en.m.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Ethics\">ethical<\/a>\u00a0offense.<sup id=\"cite_ref-Lynch02_4-0\" class=\"reference\"><a href=\"https:\/\/en.m.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Plagiarism#cite_note-Lynch02-4\">[4]<\/a><\/sup><sup id=\"cite_ref-SSRN315562_5-0\" class=\"reference\"><a href=\"https:\/\/en.m.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Plagiarism#cite_note-SSRN315562-5\">[5]<\/a><\/sup><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><em>Ghostwriting<\/em>, on the other hand, involves work for hire. The GW agrees to produce <em>original\u00a0<\/em>content and surrender the copyright.\u00a0<em>P<\/em><em>rofessional<\/em> ghostwriters only enter into contracted, legal agreements.<\/p>\n<p>Plagiarism and GW couldn&#8217;t be any more different. Yes, the GW agrees to create a work, like those I&#8217;ve discussed above, but this is a longstanding form of writing and the practice itself isn&#8217;t a problem.<\/p>\n<p>Again, from <a href=\"https:\/\/en.m.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Ghostwriter\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Wikipedia<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>A\u00a0<b>ghostwriter<\/b>\u00a0is hired to write\u00a0<a title=\"Literature\" href=\"https:\/\/en.m.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Literature\">literary<\/a>\u00a0or\u00a0<a title=\"Journalism\" href=\"https:\/\/en.m.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Journalism\">journalistic<\/a>\u00a0works,\u00a0<a title=\"Public speaking\" href=\"https:\/\/en.m.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Public_speaking\">speeches<\/a>, or other texts that are officially credited to another person as the\u00a0<a title=\"Author\" href=\"https:\/\/en.m.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Author\">author<\/a>. Celebrities, executives, participants in timely news stories, and political leaders often hire ghostwriters to draft or edit\u00a0<a title=\"Autobiography\" href=\"https:\/\/en.m.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Autobiography\">autobiographies<\/a>,\u00a0<a title=\"Memoir\" href=\"https:\/\/en.m.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Memoir\">memoirs<\/a>, magazine articles, or other written material. In music, ghostwriters are often used to write songs, lyrics, and instrumental pieces. Screenplay authors can also use ghostwriters to either\u00a0<a title=\"Script doctor\" href=\"https:\/\/en.m.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Script_doctor\">edit or rewrite their scripts<\/a>\u00a0to improve them.<\/p>\n<p>Usually, there is a confidentiality clause in the contract between the ghostwriter and the credited author that obligates the former to remain anonymous. Sometimes the ghostwriter is acknowledged by the author or publisher for his or her writing services, euphemistically called a &#8220;researcher&#8221; or &#8220;research assistant&#8221;, but often the ghostwriter is not credited.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>In some discussions, the issue turns to that GWs in fiction are viewed differently, that the reader and author enter into an agreement, of sorts, the book is a way for author and reader to connect and using a GW invalidates that connection, that the reader has a &#8216;right&#8217;, per se, to know about what really does boil down to a business arrangement between two professionals.<\/p>\n<p>Yes, I&#8217;m speaking from a point of bias here, as a ghost myself, but I think this is wrong-minded.<\/p>\n<p>I feel, personally, that the internet has eroded some lines of separation that used to exist. Authors are more available, more accessible and it gives an impression of deeper intimacy. Personally, I&#8217;m fine with that&#8230;to a point. But I&#8217;m not fine with it beyond that point.<\/p>\n<p>A GW deal&#8211;and let me preface here that I&#8217;m talking about\u00a0<em>legit<\/em>,\u00a0<em>non-predatory<\/em> deals&#8211;is a business arrangement. It&#8217;s one that\u00a0<em>usually<\/em> comes with that series bible I mentioned, story concept, character profiles, plot, etc. The story itself has a skeleton and the GW fleshes it out.<\/p>\n<p>In that business arrangement, if the author doesn&#8217;t want to reference the GW and the GW is fine with this and received fair compensation, then this should be between the those two professionals, IMO.<\/p>\n<p>Readers may feel differently, that they&#8217;re being misled about the stories they enjoy, but keep in mind what I&#8217;ve said about the entire storytelling craft. It&#8217;s\u00a0<em>more<\/em> than just words. The characters you like, the plot that keeps you engaged, the twists and turns&#8230;very often, those are already crafted by the author. The GW just helps bring it to life.<\/p>\n<p><strong>ETA: Missed a few points&#8230;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Attribution is something that&#8217;s a sticking point for many. I don&#8217;t want that going unaddressed, but at the same time, this does come down to that business agreement.<\/p>\n<p><em>Some<\/em>\u00a0GWs don&#8217;t\u00a0<em>want<\/em> attribution.<\/p>\n<p>There are some who are published authors in their own right and ghost in genres other than their own and want to keep these areas separate. Attribution would make that problematic and for some who&#8217;ve developed a specific platform, it could damage that platform.<\/p>\n<p>There are also likely writers who make decisions related to keeping personal and professional lives very separate (I do) and ghostwriting is no different. Romance writing, especially hotter romance, can come with negative impacts. For an example, <a href=\"https:\/\/thewritersally.com\/articles\/whats-in-a-pen-name-six-good-reasons-to-use-one\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Judy Mays aka Judy Buranich<\/a>, a fellow former EC author. She&#8217;s also a school teacher. It was discovered that she wrote erotic romance and a few parents went after her\u00a0<em>hard, <\/em>insisting she stop writing or stop teaching. The parents insisted the school board investigate her, etc. No, this isn&#8217;t a ghostwriting case, but there are GWs who write erotica and hot romance where this sort of issue could\u00a0<em>easily<\/em> become a problem.<\/p>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: center;\">That&#8217;s a wrap&#8230;for now<\/h3>\n<p>Okay.\u00a0 I&#8217;ve had some other Qs, but this is already long enough. Some info I might address in a guest blog I&#8217;m doing. But&#8230;some I won&#8217;t. Even though I\u00a0<em>told<\/em> people I couldn&#8217;t discuss some stuff because of NDAs, etc, a few crazy kids still asked. &#x1f604;<\/p>\n<p>A few others I&#8217;m not addressing for various, and in some cases obvious, reasons:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>what&#8217;s a\u00a0<em>fair wage<\/em>\u00a0for ghostwriters<\/li>\n<li>where do you get legit GW gigs<\/li>\n<li>doesn&#8217;t this make it harder for other writers<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>A few things I&#8217;ll touch on in a guest blog I&#8217;m doing&#8230;if I remember<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>how I got started<\/li>\n<li>why I do it<\/li>\n<li>some behind the scenes stuff if I can condense down enough.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>So, MORE drama in romancelandia.\u00a0 I mean,\u00a0seriously, the big girls in this group mostly want to write\/read and just get on with our lives. 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