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That’s the theme I got out of\u00a0this<\/a><\/em><\/strong> post.<\/p>\n

Also, somebody, with his narrow ideals and stringent opinions, get to define what a genre is. \u00a0Because\u00a0he<\/em> says so. \u00a0He says so, and so it must be.<\/p>\n

Another writer well-praised (from every corner) is Lois McMaster Bujold. Her great work is the Miles Vorkosigan series. These are supposed to be military science fiction stories, but they are really at their core Romance novels. At first, they were military science fiction novels of a higher order than most. But the romance elements creep in very early on. Bujold tips her hand in the eloquence of her language (normally a good thing) and the attention to detail that only women<\/strong> <\/em>would find attractive: balls, courts, military dress, palace intrigues, gossiping, and whispering in the corridors.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

That\u00a0<\/em>is what define romance? \u00a0Ah… that would bore me. \u00a0Probably why I could never get into her books. But\u00a0that\u00a0<\/em>is what he uses define romance? \u00a0Okay. \u00a0Since he gets to set his own definitions, then so do I. \u00a0It’s only fair, right?<\/p>\n

I’m going to redefine non-fiction. \u00a0Nonfiction is now about purple unicorns and sparkly kitties that sing bedtime stories.<\/p>\n

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From I Can Haz Cheezburger<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

And guys didn’t like the intrigues, the balls, the court dress… ya know…the detail<\/em> that made\u00a0Lois McMaster Bujold’s stories what they were? \u00a0Really? Wow.<\/p>\n

There’s also the underlying idea that girls can’t really write real science fiction. \u00a0We’re not going get into that debate, because other people<\/a><\/em><\/strong> have done it<\/a><\/em><\/strong> far better than I can. \u00a0It’s apparently the time for all of this to break out, too, because Jim C. Hines is talking about more diversity in SFF<\/a><\/em><\/strong> and he’s taking on crap for it. \u00a0People discuss it on twitter and just like any other time we try to talk about bringing more women in genre fic, more people of color into genre fic, anybody outside the traditional orientation…there are people who scream and rage over it.<\/p>\n

Actually, romance is pretty progressive when it comes to that. \u00a0We’ve got gay romance, lesbian romance, interracial romance, although I think we still struggle to get more non-white romances out there. \u00a0 But you can find a little bit of everything, historical pieces from all over the word, so many subgenres to choose from, many nationalities, multiple orientations, many classes,\u00a0<\/em>varying heat levels, and a lot of books with strong, positive female influences where the woman isn’t just a toy for the hero to use here and there and toss off when he’s done. \u00a0And I’m rambling… back on target.<\/p>\n

One author interviewed in the Guardian<\/a> has discussed having more diversity in the classes found in SF… not just the captains, but the working class.<\/p>\n

Saladin Ahmed<\/a>\u00a0mentions:<\/p>\n

He tweeted: “Class diversity also needs to be part of #DiversityinSFF. I want fewer kings and starship captains, more coach drivers and space waitresses.”<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Other than writers like Ann Aguirre and S.L. Viehl, SF tends to bore me… or many of the writers annoy me. \u00a0Basically, after how rude a few of them treated me, I stopped looking at a lot of them and focused more on UF and romance, but I’m going to have to branch out because some of the people speaking up\u00a0against<\/em> the author of the Amazing Stories post (Paul Cook) have impressed me. \u00a0Jim C. Hines has long been on my TBR read list and now, so is Saladin Ahmed.<\/p>\n

One thing I found almost\u00a0insanely<\/em> hilarious about Paul Cook’s piece?<\/p>\n

This line…<\/p>\n

…over time with novels such as\u00a0Miles in Love<\/em>and\u00a0Cordelia\u2019s Honor<\/em>, you can see that Bujold is a closet romance writer. Not that this is a bad thing, but some of us<\/strong> aren\u2019t that interested in romance.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

The implication here is that\u00a0guys<\/em> don’t read icky romance. \u00a0They don’t want to read about feelings and mushy stuff.<\/p>\n

And of course this line…<\/p>\n

For me, personally<\/strong>, it takes much of the dramatic urgency out of a story if the hero is already married or if during a skirmish comes back to canoodle or wine or dine with his beloved<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

I highlighted the personally part…see, it’s all about what he thinks. \u00a0He also claims he’s the most hated guy on the internet, and seriously, talk about arrogance. \u00a0No, he’s an annoyance, and narrow-minded, not to mention ill-informed on things, but hey, that’s not worthy of hatred. \u00a0Being a judgmental, sexist asshat isn’t worthy of my hatred. \u00a0Just my pity.<\/p>\n

This part was funny, too.<\/p>\n

Lee\u2019s and Miller\u2019s stories in this series are carefully written, but I\u2019d call them science fiction-lite because there really isn\u2019t much tension in these stories<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

So\u00a0tension<\/em> is what defines science fiction?<\/p>\n

hmmmm…<\/p>\n

Asimovs<\/a> (an online mag) looks for this…<\/p>\n

In general, we\u2019re looking for \u201ccharacter oriented\u201d stories, those in which the characters, rather than the science, provide the main focus for the reader\u2019s interest. Serious, thoughtful, yet accessible fiction will constitute the majority of our purchases, but there\u2019s always room for the humorous as well. Borderline fantasy is fine, but no Sword & Sorcery, please. Neither are we interested in explicit sex or violence. A good overview would be to consider that all fiction is written to examine or illuminate some aspect of human existence, but that in science fiction the backdrop you work against is the size of the Universe.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

I don’t see any mention of tension there. \u00a0How about Tor’s online site<\/a><\/p>\n

What we\u2019re looking for:\u00a0<\/strong>Tor.com welcomes original speculative fiction short stories and poetry. We define \u201cspeculative fiction\u201d broadly, including SF, fantasy, horror, alternate history, and related genres. We want our stories to represent the full diversity of speculative fiction, and encourage submissions by writers from underrepresented populations. This includes but is not limited to writers of any race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, nationality, class, and ability, as well as characters and settings that reflect these experiences…<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Nothing about tension there. \u00a0Funny, though…one thing actually a lot of romance\u00a0editors<\/em> will say is a problem with submissions? \u00a0Not enough tension<\/em>. Hmmmm. Funny, that. \u00a0Maybe Cook is actually a closet romance reader and doesn’t know it. \u00a0Especially if he’s looking for tension. \u00a0Come to romance, buddy. \u00a0We got tension.<\/p>\n

You go digging around for definitions for science fiction and you get things like this…<\/p>\n

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Definition\u00a0of\u00a0science fiction\u00a0(n)<\/h3>\n

Bing Dictionary<\/cite><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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sci\u00b7ence fic\u00b7tion<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n
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  1. \n

    fiction based on futuristic science:\u00a0a form of fiction, usually set in the future, that deals with imaginary scientific and technological developments and contact with other worlds<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

    or<\/p>\n

    \n

    Definitions of what Science Fiction is and is not<\/h3>\n
    \n

    It’s often said that Science Fiction is the literature of change.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    and<\/p>\n

    A science fiction story must be set against a society significantly different from our own — usually, but not necessarily, because of some change in the level of science and technology — or it is not a science fiction story.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    from Treitel<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n

     <\/p>\n

    and<\/p>\n

    Definition of Science Fiction<\/strong>
    \nScience fiction is a genre of fiction in which the stories often
    \ntell about science and technology of the future. It is
    \nimportant to note that science fiction has a relationship with
    \nthe principles of science\u2014these stories involve partially truepartially fictitious laws or theories of science. It should not be
    \ncompletely unbelievable, because it then ventures into the
    \ngenre fantasy.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    from ReadWriteThink<\/a><\/p>\n

    So basically, science fiction is about how science and technology will change the future. It doesn’t focus on tension…but maybe it should. Because\u00a0unless the world of the future totally eliminates sexual desire or the human need for companionship (which most of us, even the guys), then those needs and desires will also be a part of the future…not writing about them kinda means you’re skipping out on a messy, but intrinsic part of human nature.<\/p>\n

    It doesn’t become\u00a0romance<\/em> until the focal point<\/strong> of the story is the\u00a0developing relationship between the hero and heroine<\/em>\u00a0(or whoever the main couple is). \u00a0Duh. \u00a0If Cook was so educated about romance, as he seems to think he is, he’d know this.<\/p>\n

    Because\u00a0that<\/em> is the definition of romance. \u00a0Plenty of books have\u00a0romantic subplots<\/em>–didn’t Lord of the Rings have a carefully written subplot about Arwen and Aragorn? \u00a0You didn’t really get the\u00a0full<\/em> story until the end, but it was there, hinted at all the way. \u00a0Dude. \u00a0Tolkien is a closet romance writer! \u00a0Who knew? \u00a0I’m pretty sure there was a romantic subplot in the John Jakes books I read when I was a teen. \u00a0And STEPHEN KING! \u00a0He’s had a lot of romantic subplots, didn’t he? \u00a0Stephen KING is a closet romance writer! Wow. \u00a0Oh, Ilona Andrews! \u00a0She’s got a romantic subplot…and a killer one, too. \u00a0There are so many closet writers out there. \u00a0I can’t even name them all.<\/p>\n

    Actually…No.<\/span><\/p>\n

    To fulfill what a\u00a0true<\/em> romance reader is looking for, those who are looking for a romance when we open up a book, it can’t be a subplot. \u00a0That story has to focus on the hero and heroine\u00a0all the way through<\/em>. \u00a0Otherwise, when we close that book, we’re going to be pretty damn upset, assuming we even finish.<\/p>\n

    We’ll take a subplot that might detract from the romance, briefly. \u00a0That is okay. \u00a0But the romance is the driving force and there can only be one outcome. The heroine and the hero end up together. \u00a0Happy ever after. \u00a0The end. That’s it.<\/p>\n

    Again, I go back to this comment…<\/p>\n

    …over time with novels such as\u00a0Miles in Love and\u00a0Cordelia\u2019s Honor, you can see that Bujold is a closet romance writer. Not that this is a bad thing, but some of us aren\u2019t that interested in romance.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    Some of us. \u00a0Who is us<\/strong><\/em>? \u00a0Is it guys? \u00a0Does that mean he thinks only girls are interested in romance? \u00a0Are all\u00a0<\/em>girls interested in romance? \u00a0(Try telling that to bratlet. \u00a0You might escape unscathed. \u00a0But then again, you might not.)<\/p>\n

    That\u00a0<\/span>us<\/em> thing…that only women <\/em>thing,\u00a0I just find it all laughable. \u00a0Plenty of women like SF, and we like it a variety of ways. \u00a0I like\u00a0<\/span>my<\/em> SF to actually reflect the\u00a0<\/span>human<\/em> condition. \u00a0And\u00a0<\/span>humans<\/em> do get engaged in all those messy, messy emotions and sometimes we even like to have that messy, messy sex.<\/span><\/p>\n

    It’s one of the reasons I like authors like Ann Aguirre and S.L. Viehl… they write people that I can\u00a0connect<\/em> to. \u00a0These are\u00a0real<\/em> people, even if they are situations that I’ll never be in. \u00a0They\u00a0feel<\/em>. \u00a0They\u00a0lov<\/em>e<\/em>. \u00a0They\u00a0hurt<\/em>. \u00a0Why in the world does a space captain try to fight a war anyway if he doesn’t feel or love or hurt? \u00a0If he can’t feel love, remorse, passion, what drives\u00a0<\/em>him to do the ‘right’ thing?<\/p>\n

    Honor isn’t a good enough reason. \u00a0Revenge wouldn’t do either, because why does he want revenge if he never loved anybody enough to\u00a0need<\/em> revenge? \u00a0It makes no sense. \u00a0The\u00a0human<\/em> condition is what drives us to do everything…emotion is at the core so many things, but heaven forbid some writers touch on that.<\/p>\n

    The other thing I find amusing is the unsaid thing…guys just don’t like romance so stop making us read it<\/em>.<\/p>\n

    In the years since I’ve been published, I’ve lost track of how many books I’ve sent overseas to soldiers. \u00a0The majority of them, by far, are men. \u00a0The books I send? They are romance<\/strong><\/em>. And the SOS coordinator who takes receipt of them still sends me emails from the\u00a0guys<\/strong><\/em>\u00a0<\/strong>who get those books. \u00a0They love them. \u00a0They appreciate them. \u00a0One of my prized possessions is the US flag I received as a thank gift for the books I’ve sent.\u00a0Many of those books are traded around and shared among the other soldiers. \u00a0I can remember one email Kelley (my SOS contact) sent me about one of the guys who used to be on her list but is home now…he’s kinda upset about that, because he doesn’t\u00a0get<\/em> these kinda books anymore. \u00a0Not just from me, but the other\u00a0romance<\/em><\/strong>\u00a0<\/em>writers who send books out.<\/p>\n

    So you go ahead, Mr. Cook. \u00a0Why don’t you hunt up the guys serving overseas and tell them how guys aren’t into romance? \u00a0While you’re at it, be sure to hunt up all the guys who’ve had me sign their books over the years–their books, not for their girlfriends, or their wives. \u00a0But for them. \u00a0It’s not just one or two guys, either.<\/span><\/p>\n

    Have fun with it. \u00a0I dare ya.<\/span><\/p>\n

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